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This source

www.macedonium.org Самоилово царство - Славинија Samoil i Samoilovo carstvo (makedonski)

is of different character, it isn't scientific. Moreover, it is anonymous and can't be treated as "respected mainstream publication". I don't think such sources are appropriate in any Wikipedia. Greetings, Historian 20:13, 20 juni 2009 (CEST)

Answered on Razgovor sa korisnikom:Historian, it is not a source, it is just a link. But this link can be taken as a source, ´couse it is a translation of works of a known expert on this area, Prof. Dr. Ulf Brunnbauer from University of Regensburg, Germany.--Amir pitaj 20:53, 20 juni 2009 (CEST)
No, www.macedonium.org is amateur site, which contains a compilation of unverified materials, made by anonymous authors. It is inappropriate source. Prof. Dr. Ulf Brunnbauer has nothing to do with it, his publication, quoted in the article, is on other location: www.iis.unsa.ba. I'll remove www.macedonium.org again because it is not a reliable source. Best wishes, Historian 02:38, 21 juni 2009 (CEST)
P. s. I was threatened by ban:
Once more it is not a source, it is a link to a page which is talking about the same thing. Take a look at german publications of Prof. Brunnbauer and not on some links on bosnian sites. And if you sorry or not, rules of wiki are not universal. There are 5 guides, but the rules are maded by communitiy. One more revert, and you´r gonna be banned. The source you have give can be as a source but the link can also. EOD --Amir
Denial of Wikipedia policy, threats... No, this is a link to an inappropriate non-scientific and anonymous page, which - according to Wikipedia core content policy - is irrelevant. The neutrality of www.macedonium.org is disputed. Historian 03:19, 21 juni 2009 (CEST)
Where is the neutrality disputed? This page is not a source, it shows just the other side of wiew. And content policy doesn´t say nothing about links wich can or must be used. :) --Amir pitaj 03:23, 21 juni 2009 (CEST)

Sa korisničkog razgovora vezano za članak[uredi | uredi izvor]

Reference[uredi | uredi izvor]

Sklanjas dijelove koji su referencirani sa stranim dijelima, ili zelis reci da je Brunnbauer bio Bugar? Postavi drugu referencu ili ostavi referencirani tekst. Poz. --Amir pitaj 13:13, 13 juni 2009 (CEST)

Nije bio bugarski, to znamo i posto ova istoriska osoba je veoma sumljiva kada je pitanje negova nacionalnost, bolje je da stoji samo car tog castva. Znam da ima neke bugarske korisnike pa skacu sa jedne do druge Wikipedije i stavljaju sve sto njima odgovara. Cisto kao preventiva jer korisnik Stanislav opet ce bugarizirati na ovoj Wikipediji. Pozdrav--MacedonianBoy 13:17, 13 juni 2009 (CEST)
Problem je sto je Prof. Brunnbauer jedan od najuglednijih profesora na podrucju historije istocne Evrope u citavoj Evropi. Univerzitet Regensburg (na kojem drzi stolicu za historiju istocne Evrope [1]) je jedna od vodecih ustanova na podrucju historije evrope (poslije Sorbonne i Oxforda). Samim tim je referenca validna i ostaje dok ne pronadjes nesto drugo. Sto se tice sumnjive nacionalnosti historijske osobe, to se moze vidjeti kao tvoj POV. Zamolio bih te, kao i zadnji put, da prije ovakvih izmjena prvo postavis raspravu na stranici za razgovor da bi se vidjelo misljenje drugih korisnika. Izmjenu moram vratiti jer je dosta pokrivena referencom. Poz. --Amir pitaj 13:26, 13 juni 2009 (CEST)

http://www.pravoslavieto.com/history/11/tsar_samuil/index.htm

Irrelevant POV pushing[uredi | uredi izvor]

The website www.macedonium.org is not a scientific source and it can't be used as a source for second hand quotations. Moreover, according to Steven Runciman Samuel's realm was Bulgarian:

Book III THE TWO EAGLES

CHAPTER III

The end of an empire

In the west of Bulgaria, at the time of the Russian invasions, there lived a count or provincial governor called Nicholas. By his wife Rhipsimé he had four sons, whom he named David, Moses, Aaron, and Samuel; to the world they were collectively known as the Comitopuli, the Count’s children. [1] Of what province Nicholas was governor we do not know, nor when he died. By the time of the abdication of Tsar Boris, his sons had succeeded to his influence; and to them the Western Bulgarians looked to preserve their independence.

Runciman doesn't think that Samuel's realm was Macedonian. I'll edit these irrelevant examples of POV-pushing. Greetings, Historian 13:49, 4 oktobar 2009 (CEST)